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	<title>Comments on: BBC sees blog comments as activity of a &#039;vocal minority&#039;</title>
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		<title>By: cauna</title>
		<link>http://www.reportr.net/2008/11/14/bbc-sees-blog-comments-as-activity-of-a-vocal-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>cauna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Очень давно искал подобный материал и вот наконец нащёл. Особая благодарность автору</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Очень давно искал подобный материал и вот наконец нащёл. Особая благодарность автору</p>
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		<title>By: Ganry86</title>
		<link>http://www.reportr.net/2008/11/14/bbc-sees-blog-comments-as-activity-of-a-vocal-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Ganry86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griffyn goes, his hard-hitting candor is a blade that cuts both way. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffyn goes, his hard-hitting candor is a blade that cuts both way. ,</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the BBC subtly so biased in favor of Israel and why so many Jewish commentators who are naturally biased. ??

Why is the Foreign Minister Jewish David Milliband with again obvious dual loyalty towards Israel ???

Where is John Pilger ??? Where are the Palestinian voices  ?

All the people who are silent are COLLABORATORS !!!!!

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.a....asp? partid=519</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the BBC subtly so biased in favor of Israel and why so many Jewish commentators who are naturally biased. ??</p>
<p>Why is the Foreign Minister Jewish David Milliband with again obvious dual loyalty towards Israel ???</p>
<p>Where is John Pilger ??? Where are the Palestinian voices  ?</p>
<p>All the people who are silent are COLLABORATORS !!!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.johnpilger.com/page.a....asp?" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnpilger.com/page.a&#8230;.asp?</a> partid=519</p>
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		<title>By: The Phazer</title>
		<link>http://www.reportr.net/2008/11/14/bbc-sees-blog-comments-as-activity-of-a-vocal-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>The Phazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But to label everyone who has left a comment on a blog as a “vocal minority” is such a sweeping statement.&quot;

It&#039;s a completely accurate one mathmatically, unless your blog has more than 51% of your audience commenting.

Basic child level statistics points out that a self selected sample (blog commentators) isn&#039;t an accurate sample to base anything on. Hence a &quot;vocal minority&quot; is a completely true statement.

It&#039;s a shame that the BBC (as proven by the Ross/Brand debacle, where the number of licence fee payers supporting the broadcast on Facebook outnumbers the complains, and Facebook&#039;s validation of those people&#039;s identity is *much* better than Ofcom&#039;s) doesn&#039;t actually act in such a statistically robust way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But to label everyone who has left a comment on a blog as a “vocal minority” is such a sweeping statement.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a completely accurate one mathmatically, unless your blog has more than 51% of your audience commenting.</p>
<p>Basic child level statistics points out that a self selected sample (blog commentators) isn&#8217;t an accurate sample to base anything on. Hence a &#8220;vocal minority&#8221; is a completely true statement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame that the BBC (as proven by the Ross/Brand debacle, where the number of licence fee payers supporting the broadcast on Facebook outnumbers the complains, and Facebook&#8217;s validation of those people&#8217;s identity is *much* better than Ofcom&#8217;s) doesn&#8217;t actually act in such a statistically robust way.</p>
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		<title>By: Austen naughten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austen naughten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating.  The BBC has a long-standing commitment to invoving its listeners and inviting their feedback, indeed

&quot;It should foster a ‘learning curve’ of interactive engagement, encouraging audiences to move from passive consumption to active participation online.&quot;  (bbc.co.uk Service Remit)

And so it has invited comment throughout it&#039;s websites, without apparently giving much though on how to quantify, qualify, analyse or respond to what they get.

It would be a great pity if the BBC was to respond to it&#039;s own failure in this area, by backing away from user-generated content just because they haven&#039;t yet worked out what to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating.  The BBC has a long-standing commitment to invoving its listeners and inviting their feedback, indeed</p>
<p>&#8220;It should foster a ‘learning curve’ of interactive engagement, encouraging audiences to move from passive consumption to active participation online.&#8221;  (bbc.co.uk Service Remit)</p>
<p>And so it has invited comment throughout it&#8217;s websites, without apparently giving much though on how to quantify, qualify, analyse or respond to what they get.</p>
<p>It would be a great pity if the BBC was to respond to it&#8217;s own failure in this area, by backing away from user-generated content just because they haven&#8217;t yet worked out what to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-11-16 &#171; Common User</title>
		<link>http://www.reportr.net/2008/11/14/bbc-sees-blog-comments-as-activity-of-a-vocal-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-11-16 &#171; Common User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BBC sees blog comments as activity of a ‘vocal minority’ « Reportr.net Actually Alf is reporting a speech from the Head of BBC News so its more (Head of) BBC News sees&#8230;&quot;There are certainly some people who will write abusive comments. These people have always existed. But to label everyone who has left a comment on a blog as a “vocal minority” is such a sweeping statement.&quot; (tags: bbc bbcblog news comments helenboaden) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BBC sees blog comments as activity of a ‘vocal minority’ « Reportr.net Actually Alf is reporting a speech from the Head of BBC News so its more (Head of) BBC News sees&#8230;&quot;There are certainly some people who will write abusive comments. These people have always existed. But to label everyone who has left a comment on a blog as a “vocal minority” is such a sweeping statement.&quot; (tags: bbc bbcblog news comments helenboaden) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
		<link>http://www.reportr.net/2008/11/14/bbc-sees-blog-comments-as-activity-of-a-vocal-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Thanks for making the point about page views, Matt. It is measuring a blog’s success by the standards of mass media.

It&#039;s worse than that. The ABCe specifically dumped the measure when used on its own two years ago as misleading, and switched to unique users !

Rgds

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Thanks for making the point about page views, Matt. It is measuring a blog’s success by the standards of mass media.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worse than that. The ABCe specifically dumped the measure when used on its own two years ago as misleading, and switched to unique users !</p>
<p>Rgds</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Hermida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred Hermida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for making the point about page views, Matt.  It is measuring a blog&#039;s success by the standards of mass media. Whereas you could argue that a blog should be measure by how far it succeeds in generating a discussion.

And this brings me to Mathew&#039;s point about community. You are spot on in saying that reporters should be listening to their readers and, yes, at times stepping in to clear up misunderstandings.

I wonder if Helen Boaden will respond to any of the comments on her post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making the point about page views, Matt.  It is measuring a blog&#8217;s success by the standards of mass media. Whereas you could argue that a blog should be measure by how far it succeeds in generating a discussion.</p>
<p>And this brings me to Mathew&#8217;s point about community. You are spot on in saying that reporters should be listening to their readers and, yes, at times stepping in to clear up misunderstandings.</p>
<p>I wonder if Helen Boaden will respond to any of the comments on her post?</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alfred, I totally agree with the point of your post.  As someone who only recently took on the job of &quot;communities editor,&quot; I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about comments, and I think our default position should be to remain as open as possible, even if the opinions expressed make us somewhat uncomfortable.

In a literal sense, what the BBC News director said is true.  In most cases, there are far more readers than there are commenters, so they are in some ways a &quot;vocal minority.&quot;  That doesn&#039;t mean their opinions are minority opinions, however.  I like to go by the old rule of thumb about letters to the editor, which holds that for every letter, there are hundreds of other people who hold the same opinion but don&#039;t write.

In that sense, thinking about them as just a minority is the wrong way to look at it, I think.  And I also agree with your view on having writers become active participants in the comments themselves -- that&#039;s one of my goals at the Globe.  It not only sends a signal that someone is listening and interested, but can short-circuit misunderstandings quickly as well.  Done properly, I think it can raise the level of discourse better than just about anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alfred, I totally agree with the point of your post.  As someone who only recently took on the job of &#8220;communities editor,&#8221; I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about comments, and I think our default position should be to remain as open as possible, even if the opinions expressed make us somewhat uncomfortable.</p>
<p>In a literal sense, what the BBC News director said is true.  In most cases, there are far more readers than there are commenters, so they are in some ways a &#8220;vocal minority.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t mean their opinions are minority opinions, however.  I like to go by the old rule of thumb about letters to the editor, which holds that for every letter, there are hundreds of other people who hold the same opinion but don&#8217;t write.</p>
<p>In that sense, thinking about them as just a minority is the wrong way to look at it, I think.  And I also agree with your view on having writers become active participants in the comments themselves &#8212; that&#8217;s one of my goals at the Globe.  It not only sends a signal that someone is listening and interested, but can short-circuit misunderstandings quickly as well.  Done properly, I think it can raise the level of discourse better than just about anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry missed leaving a url: www.mattwardman.com .</description>
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